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06 Sep 2020 10:22 - 06 Sep 2020 10:35 #14614 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Good Day,

Our Porsche 2.0 USA with a D-Jetronic system starts but stalls inmediatly.
This problem is allready keeping me busy for few weekends and i dont have any more ideas.
i am stuck at this moment.

This are the things i have allready look through with the help of this website.

Measured the whole wiringloom.
12V on pin 16 and 24, power supply.
12V pin 18, start signal
Air temperatuur sensor 378 Ohm
Engine temperatuur sensor 2,8 KOhm

Throttlevalve 10 steps 0 Ohm, stationair checked

Injectors
Pin 3 3,2 Ohm
Pin 4 3,7 Ohm
Pin 5 3,0 Ohm
Pin 6 3,6 Ohm

MAP sensor
Pin 7 - Pin 15, 90 Ohm
Pin 7 - ground, Open
Pin 8 - Pin 10, 330 Ohm
Pin 8 - ground, Open
Vacuum 100%

Engine starts but stalls inmediatly.
when i take of the MAP sensor vacuumhose and plug of the manifold, the engine starts and runs.
Put back the MAP sensor vacuumhose, the engine stops inmediatly.

is it possible that there is a problem with the ECU.

Type ECU 280 000 044
Type MAP sensor 280 100 043

With kind regards

Erik
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06 Sep 2020 14:25 #14617 von Michi68 Americas (USA / CAN) Porsche 914 1.7
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Hello Erik,
did you check the fuel pressure? Greetings Michi

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06 Sep 2020 15:13 #14618 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Michi

Yes i checked the fuel pressure it is 2 Bar.

Erik

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06 Sep 2020 17:02 - 06 Sep 2020 17:12 #14620 von Marc_Voss Volkswagen Typ 4 411 E 1.7
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Hi Erik,

did you also checked the Auxiliary Air Regulator / the hose ?
If it is closed or the engine don‘t get additonal air while it is cold, it won‘t run very well or it will stop. So, if you disconnect the hose to the AAR, what will happen ?

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(I just tried that at my VW 411, which is not much different)
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06 Sep 2020 19:31 #14621 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Hi Eric,
when does the engine stall?

While the starter turns, the D-Jetronic injects without getting the trigger signals.

When you release the key to 'ignition on' position, the trigger signals are needed to keep the engine running.

Therefore: please tell us more about the conditions the engine runs/stalls.

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06 Sep 2020 19:51 #14623 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Hi Norbert,

The engine stalls when the key gets back in the ignition on position.

I think that that the trigger signals are oke because the engine runs beautiful stationair when there is no vacuum connect at the MAP Sensor.

This is also the reason that i am stuck at this moment or am i thinking in the wrong direction.

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06 Sep 2020 20:44 #14624 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Erikkraft schrieb: ... the engine runs beautiful stationair when there is no vacuum connect at the MAP Sensor.
...

What happens when you close the hose towards the MPS?
Maybe Marc is right, and the engine needs this extra air...?

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06 Sep 2020 20:51 #14625 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Norbert,

When i reconnect the the vacuum at the MPS sensor while the engine runs, the engine stalls inmediatly.

Also when the engine runs and i pull vacuum bij hand (mouth)on the MPS sensor the engine stalls.

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06 Sep 2020 21:24 #14626 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Hi Erik,

please answer: Do you clogg the hose when you let the engine run and disconnect the MPS or does the engine soak extra air through the hose / the connector?

- pulling vaccuum to the MPS signalizes low throttle, the mixture is leaner than without vacuum -

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06 Sep 2020 21:31 #14627 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Norbert,

When i take off the MPS vacuumhose from the manifold i place a plug on the connector on the manifold so there will be no vacuumleak.

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Erik

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06 Sep 2020 22:12 - 06 Sep 2020 22:17 #14628 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Hi Erik,
all the readings you posted in your first post are o.k. - injector's resistance way too high, maybe a ground <earth> problem? Should be about 2,4 Ohms. There is a central ground connector at the plenum as far I remember.
Fuel pressure is o.k., did you check it with the engine running, too?

At this point I can mention only one more reason for the effect you describe besides a broken ECU:
- Injectors clogged ???

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07 Sep 2020 15:54 #14636 von Volker Europe Mercedes-Benz R107 450 SL, Mercedes-Benz W111 280 SE Cabrio
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Hi Erik,

just shortly from holidays: If you remove vacuum line from MAP sensor, your MAP sensor will signal full-load to ECU and thus make mixture rich. Does your MAP sensor hold vacuum? And have you checked your engine for vacuum leaks plus tested igntion timing?

Viele Schraubergrüße - best regards, Dr-DJet Volker
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07 Sep 2020 18:02 #14642 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Hi Volker.

The MAP sensor is holding its vacuum , i had to replace it with the same type number because the original had a hole in the diafram.



Timing of the engine has been checked. Stationair spot on TDC and the pre setting by 27 degrees is correct.

Regards
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07 Sep 2020 21:16 #14644 von dikke leo Europe Mercedes-Benz W108 280 SE/L 3.5
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Hallo Erik,

You mentioned the 0.280.100.043 as being the manifold pressure sensor in your 1973.

As far as i lnow is this for a 1974-1976 type

You should have the mps 0.280.100.037

It will give a different voltage signal back to the ecu

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07 Sep 2020 22:06 #14645 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Hi Leo,
following Volker's list the ...043 MPS was installed from 5/73 on.

Normally all cars built after the summer holidays are the following model year.

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07 Sep 2020 22:22 #14646 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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Norbert,

Car was manufactured on november 1973 and delivred on februari 1974.
The partnumbers should be correct.

There is one thing i chanced bij rebuilding the engine. The original injectors where leaking allover the place. I replaced them . But i could not find the same partnumber. I placed injectors for a 2 liter aircooled vw engine. Also with the green cap.

Could that give a problem.

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07 Sep 2020 22:30 #14647 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Hi Erik,
all green D-Jetronic-injectors have the same flow rate and are compatible.


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08 Sep 2020 08:09 #14648 von Volker Europe Mercedes-Benz R107 450 SL, Mercedes-Benz W111 280 SE Cabrio
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Hi,

yes it is a problem! Porsche 914 1.7 and 2.0 have different injectors, both in color and flow rate. You should have yellow ones.

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08 Sep 2020 08:47 #14649 von nordfisch Europe Opel Diplomat 2.8 E
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Volker schrieb: Hi,

yes it is a problem! Porsche 914 1.7 and 2.0 have different injectors, both in color and flow rate. You should have yellow ones.


No, Erik. You own a 2.0 and green ones are correct.

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08 Sep 2020 09:21 #14650 von Erikkraft Porsche 914 2.0, Volkswagen Typ 4 412 E 1.7
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This are the of injectors i replaced.


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