Die Bosch D-Jetronic war 1967 die erste Großserien elektronische Einspritzung der Welt. - Bosch's D-Jetronic was the first mass-production electronic fuel injection.
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8 years 3 months ago #5031
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Hello Juan,
what you tell me does not sound like the trigger contacts. but you can easily verify whether they are working: Just touch them with your hand while the engine is running. You should feel them vibrate. If necessary you can also use a stethoscope like this one . If you feel or hear single cylinders not running, please report back.
I do know Istanbul very well, I lived and worked there myself for several years as General Manager. Still I often make my vacation in our summer appartment on the Aegean sea. I even was there when the military coup happened. And I can tell you that Turkey does not allow import of cars older than 3 years any more since many years, not even Oldtimers. So everything that is in the country can be used, no new ones can be imported. That is why old and new cars are much more expensive than in Germany. Of course you as a foreigner can import a car. But then you cannot sell it as only foreigners can run it with a special number plate like 34 MD xxxx . It is a pity.
Did you verify that you have the right components in your car (See appendix A)? Plus compression, valve play, and ignition dwell and timing test at idle, 1500/min and 3000/min. Those are the prerequsistes to start with. As we already have very limited knowledge of D-Jetronic in workshops in Germany, it must be even more limited in Turkey. Don't listen to "No problem" and "we will find it". You better check yourself or oversee what your mechanic does. What you describe to me sounds like the typical "Change all components" until we find the error. You already changes MAP sensor. Now they typically demand new trigger contacts and finally ECU. If he was really experienced he would know how to diagnose Trigger contacts. I admit that ECU is more difficult.
what you tell me does not sound like the trigger contacts. but you can easily verify whether they are working: Just touch them with your hand while the engine is running. You should feel them vibrate. If necessary you can also use a stethoscope like this one . If you feel or hear single cylinders not running, please report back.
I do know Istanbul very well, I lived and worked there myself for several years as General Manager. Still I often make my vacation in our summer appartment on the Aegean sea. I even was there when the military coup happened. And I can tell you that Turkey does not allow import of cars older than 3 years any more since many years, not even Oldtimers. So everything that is in the country can be used, no new ones can be imported. That is why old and new cars are much more expensive than in Germany. Of course you as a foreigner can import a car. But then you cannot sell it as only foreigners can run it with a special number plate like 34 MD xxxx . It is a pity.
Did you verify that you have the right components in your car (See appendix A)? Plus compression, valve play, and ignition dwell and timing test at idle, 1500/min and 3000/min. Those are the prerequsistes to start with. As we already have very limited knowledge of D-Jetronic in workshops in Germany, it must be even more limited in Turkey. Don't listen to "No problem" and "we will find it". You better check yourself or oversee what your mechanic does. What you describe to me sounds like the typical "Change all components" until we find the error. You already changes MAP sensor. Now they typically demand new trigger contacts and finally ECU. If he was really experienced he would know how to diagnose Trigger contacts. I admit that ECU is more difficult.
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8 years 3 months ago #5044
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Hi Juan, Hi Volker,
the following is misunderstandable (I marked the sentence).
You can feel or hear the injectors working - not the trigger points.
Juan, I just sent you a figure for producing the tool.
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the following is misunderstandable (I marked the sentence).
Volker wrote: Hello Juan,
what you tell me does not sound like the trigger contacts. but you can easily verify whether they are working: Just touch them with your hand while the engine is running. You should feel them vibrate. If necessary you can also use a stethoscope like this one . If you feel or hear single cylinders not running, please report back.
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You can feel or hear the injectors working - not the trigger points.
Juan, I just sent you a figure for producing the tool.
Regards
Norbert
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8 years 3 months ago #5047
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Hi Norbert,
that is correct. I meant that you can feel the tickering injectors.
that is correct. I meant that you can feel the tickering injectors.
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8 years 2 months ago #5293
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Hi Dr. D-Jet,
Thank you for the dimensions of the 'tool'. I had it made. Later I tried to adjust the contacts.
Everything worked well. Thank you again. But my problem still persists.
I will try to listen to the injectors to find out If they are working.
In the mean time I have started to gather the info on the D-Jet parts used in my 116982 engine. then I will start the test for each one of them. by separate message I will try to explain my problem
Thank you for the dimensions of the 'tool'. I had it made. Later I tried to adjust the contacts.
Everything worked well. Thank you again. But my problem still persists.
I will try to listen to the injectors to find out If they are working.
In the mean time I have started to gather the info on the D-Jet parts used in my 116982 engine. then I will start the test for each one of them. by separate message I will try to explain my problem
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8 years 2 months ago #5295
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in the checklist you have mentioned the item 'Unterdruckversteller'. I have this item on top of the Zündverteiler as an additional part attached. But there is no number on this part. How can I know which version it is and If it is working?
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8 years 2 months ago #5298
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Hi Juan,
you will find last 3 digits on the bar where it connects to ignition distributor.
you will find last 3 digits on the bar where it connects to ignition distributor.
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