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Jerking (ruckeln?) W114 250 CE caused by distributor radial play?

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8 hours 38 minutes ago #23426 by Marinus
Hi All,

My 114.980 engine is not standing still at idle speed. I fail for the coin test: I can not put a coin on it like you sometimes see people doing and the coin is not rolling away. 
When i stand in front of my car the engine block moves/shakes from left to right and vice versa i believe this is called jerking.

I put new stuff in like, spark plugs, cables, distributor rotor and cap.
I checked my coil resistance (primary and secundary) and even used a spare coil. I checked breaker contacts and measured the capacitor in the distributor. Both seems okay. I used a occiloscoop with a Hantek HT25 probe to see the sparks coming by directly out of the coil. The result is that between 2 sparks the Voltage can be doubled, see pic 1.
I checked the radial play: at start 0.0 mm and at gentle push 0.1 mm, see pic 2.  
Although i measured not directly at cam height (but at rotor height) my first estimate is that this play can cause an extra or smaller opening of the distributor contact of 0.15 mm (transmission ratio from cam to breaker points approx 1.5)

1) could this be the reason for my engine jerking?
2) what is the specification for maximum radial play
3) any other tips?

Happy to hear from anybody.

Greetings Marc

 
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7 hours 14 minutes ago - 7 hours 13 minutes ago #23427 by nordfisch
Hi Marc,
the radial play is much too high - as I understand, from one side to the other 0,2 mm.

You will have a dwell that's running out of all specs at changing revs.
Did you measure the dwell?

Your distributor has to be replaced or revisioned...

Is your car an early model without transistorised ignition?

Regards
Norbert
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6 hours 51 minutes ago #23428 by Dr-DJet
Hi,

I fully agree to Norbert's analysis.

Viele Schraubergrüße - best regards, Dr-DJet Volker
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6 hours 33 minutes ago - 6 hours 30 minutes ago #23429 by Marinus
Hi Norbert,


No it is +- 0,05 mm. From one side 0.0 mm to the other side it was 0.1 mm.
Does this change your view?

Will check the dwell angle at different revolutions

And yes i have no transistor ignition (was planning to install it after the engine is running smooth again).

Gr Marc
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