Saab 99 E

Hi Frank,

It is seldom that I see Saab engines here on Jetronic.org.

If you would speak German I would recommend Bosch Kundendienstanleitung for your car .  Unfortunately thisis only Prüfwerte. Normally such workshop manual consists of 3 booklets. I should even have them in double copy. I read these documents about your car. There is a section about 1.7 and 1.85 l engine and one about 2.0 l engine. So 1.85l seems original from that reading.

It seems that 1.85l engine was also equipped with 0 280 000 010 ECU with MAP sensor 0 280 100 009 and 2,3 kp/cm² fuel pressure plus yellow (black) injectors. Later it was switched to 0 280 100 018 with MAP sensor 0 280 100 018 and 2.0 kp/cm² fuel pressure plus green (black) injectors. In the very beginning injectors were not color coded and all black.

I do not have the Saab 0 280 000 018 nor the MAP sensor 018 in stock. So I cannot help with that. If I had I would be able to test and repair them. But I never took Saab equipment to my stock as I was never ever asked for it in a workshop. I would have used green injectors. I also do not have your AAV 0 280 140 012. But it is a standard part and repairable. Bosch does not supply any more and it is only Mercedes-Benz who made Bosch manufacture new ones.



 

Hi,

according to Bosch historic equipment list it is 0 280 000 010 for all 1,7 l engines and 0 280 000 018 for all 1.85 l engines. Kundendienstanleitung is not as clear here.

Hi Frank,

there are more modifications in 018 ECU than just a hole and a rheostat. I cannnot turn 010 into an 018 easily. It makes no sense. If you have a 018 MAP sensor it makes sense to repair it.

As Norbert pointed out, please verify which Bosch numbers your injectors have.

Hi Frank,

I would say that someone has tried to open your MAP sensor but never managed. But I cannot say for sure. It would be great if I could measure your MAP sensors for reference.

Yellow injectors fit your 010 ECU. Your MAP sensors are also right ones and not 018 ?

BTW,

I read your first statement again. It says that you use a bi-pole repair kit for your AAV and it did not work. What is that kit? Never heard of it. I repair my AAV with new thermo element, holder, sealing etc.

Hi Frank,

I have seen such cases on some Opel and Volkswagen. You will not get the oil out in most cases as they have a shutter valve on most MAP sensors. What you can do VERY CAUTIOUSLY : Use a small plastic pin that will not break off to open that valve (if present) and hold it overhead. Then let oil drip out. Not a good but a workable try. I had MAP sensors that were drowned in oil.

NEVER PLAY with adjustment screws to compensate other mistakes on D-Jetronic. Whoever tried has detuned his MAP sensor and made things worse.  Check that is was built in 70s, has rivets and does not leak vacuum. Then you can trust it in 99% of all cases.

I would like to measure your MAP sensor as a reference. But only if it was made in 70s (2 or 3 in mid of 3 digits on rivet) and was never opened. I do not need your ECU. I have references for all of them.

 

Frank,

you did not reply on bi-pole repair kit of AAV. Would appreciate to know.

Hi Frank,

this is not the correct element. Additionally it misses the holder sealing, fitting. Forget it.

Hi Frank,

this element is not the correct one. It has the same shape as the one I have once seen which did not have same temperature movements as the original. I cannot understand why they do not use the original thermostat. But it does not matter any more as you have destroyed your housing unfortunately.

Not only me but any Bosch Classic Service can verify your ECU. Ask a Bosch Service in your country. They should be able to send to Bosch Classic Koller & Schwemmer.

Hi,

either you have a 3 digit stamp on upper right rivet or a stamp on the back of your housing. If it reads 2 or 3 in the middle then it is from 70s.

No need to tell me your AAV solution. And I still tell you that the element on the picture you linked is the wrong one.