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Hi CO on 3.0 CSI. Help please.
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2 years 1 month ago #19718
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Hello Dr D-jet,
Meet the new member with an old problem.
I have fallen my recent MOT (ITV) here in Spain with my E9 because of 8% CO.
After searching around and checking and tuning everything I could bring it down to 4.5 % and that's it.
My check list was as follows:
1- air tem sensor (within tolerance)
2- coolant temp sensor (new one with a bit better tolerance than the old one)
3 - MPS sensor (absolutely ok according electrical and pressure tests.) I tried broken one and I couldn't notice dramatic changes in CO by the way.
4- injectors (a set of NOS I bought recently)
5- fuel pressure regulator (2 bar. Tried to low to 1.8 bar just for experiment - no changes)
6- throttle sensor (0 Om closed, infinity after small pushing, 10 fluctuations 0-infinity after, so looks ok)
7- Ignition timing (checked and according to BLUE BOOK)
8- dwell angle (37)
9- spark plugs (new set of BOSCH W7DC)
10- valve clearance (checked and according to BLUE BOOK)
11- all wires and plugs between sensors and ECU (tested with multimeter and ok)
12- potentiometer on ECU (was in the middle when CO 8% was registered and in max anticlockwise now with CO 4.5%. So it seems like it works but maybe not as it should work. I'm not sure).
13- compression test (10.5-11.5)
After all these done should I still looking for some critical point I could missed? Or should I try another ECU (0 280 001 007) + MPS (0280 100 030)?
If yes please help me with a trusted source for these parts (you know prices and I have bad experience with a "NEW" MPS already).
Any help would be appreciated because I can't complete my car registration without this MOT (ITV) test.
Hope for your answer,
Regards,
Yury.
Meet the new member with an old problem.
I have fallen my recent MOT (ITV) here in Spain with my E9 because of 8% CO.
After searching around and checking and tuning everything I could bring it down to 4.5 % and that's it.
My check list was as follows:
1- air tem sensor (within tolerance)
2- coolant temp sensor (new one with a bit better tolerance than the old one)
3 - MPS sensor (absolutely ok according electrical and pressure tests.) I tried broken one and I couldn't notice dramatic changes in CO by the way.
4- injectors (a set of NOS I bought recently)
5- fuel pressure regulator (2 bar. Tried to low to 1.8 bar just for experiment - no changes)
6- throttle sensor (0 Om closed, infinity after small pushing, 10 fluctuations 0-infinity after, so looks ok)
7- Ignition timing (checked and according to BLUE BOOK)
8- dwell angle (37)
9- spark plugs (new set of BOSCH W7DC)
10- valve clearance (checked and according to BLUE BOOK)
11- all wires and plugs between sensors and ECU (tested with multimeter and ok)
12- potentiometer on ECU (was in the middle when CO 8% was registered and in max anticlockwise now with CO 4.5%. So it seems like it works but maybe not as it should work. I'm not sure).
13- compression test (10.5-11.5)
After all these done should I still looking for some critical point I could missed? Or should I try another ECU (0 280 001 007) + MPS (0280 100 030)?
If yes please help me with a trusted source for these parts (you know prices and I have bad experience with a "NEW" MPS already).
Any help would be appreciated because I can't complete my car registration without this MOT (ITV) test.
Hope for your answer,
Regards,
Yury.
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Viele Schraubergrüße - best regards, Dr-DJet Volker
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Hi Yury,
such a high CO normally comes from
such a high CO normally comes from
- MAP sensor
- Engine temp sensor
- Cold start valve
- Vacuum leakage on manifold
- ECU in rare cases, but then it tends to be higher CO
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Hi Volker,
Thanks for your answer.
1. MAP SENSOR. I have 2, both tested for resistance and pressure.
2. ENGINE TEMP SENSOR. I have 2 the used one and the new one installed at the moment. Both tested for resistance. Both in tolerance. I tried to swap them and CO is changing about 1% depend on sensor installed.
3. COLD START VALVE. I made CO test with valve disconnected and hose plugged. No difference.
4. VACUUM LIKAGE ON MANIFOLD. I have 19 inHG at idle.
All wires from sensors to ECU are checked.
I tried to study your technical section before asking for help here first.
What exactly should I do first? It seems like I can't determine where exactly the problem is.
Could you help please?
Thanks for your answer.
1. MAP SENSOR. I have 2, both tested for resistance and pressure.
2. ENGINE TEMP SENSOR. I have 2 the used one and the new one installed at the moment. Both tested for resistance. Both in tolerance. I tried to swap them and CO is changing about 1% depend on sensor installed.
3. COLD START VALVE. I made CO test with valve disconnected and hose plugged. No difference.
4. VACUUM LIKAGE ON MANIFOLD. I have 19 inHG at idle.
All wires from sensors to ECU are checked.
I tried to study your technical section before asking for help here first.
What exactly should I do first? It seems like I can't determine where exactly the problem is.
Could you help please?
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Can anybody help?
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Replied by nordfisch on topic Hi CO on 3.0 CSI. Help please.
Hi Yury,
19 inHg means about -0,35 Bar to us. I think, you should have a higher vacuum.
Do a search for vacuum leaks...
At first I would remove the hose towards the MPS, seal the support and try to apply a higher vacuum towards the MPS using a vacuum pump.
This is experimental - see what happens to the CO.
Regards
Norbert
19 inHg means about -0,35 Bar to us. I think, you should have a higher vacuum.
Do a search for vacuum leaks...
At first I would remove the hose towards the MPS, seal the support and try to apply a higher vacuum towards the MPS using a vacuum pump.
This is experimental - see what happens to the CO.
Regards
Norbert
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Thanks you nordfisch,
It sounds interesting and I will try to play with it but I try to convert inHG to Bar and 19 inHG = 0,64 Bar according Google converter.
But nevertheless it't a good idea to confirm that MPS reacts on vacuum meaning.
Thanks a lot.
It sounds interesting and I will try to play with it but I try to convert inHG to Bar and 19 inHG = 0,64 Bar according Google converter.
But nevertheless it't a good idea to confirm that MPS reacts on vacuum meaning.
Thanks a lot.
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