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2 months 1 week ago - 2 months 1 week ago #21695
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This morning I measured the engine temperature sensor and got the following values (in Celcius and Ohms):
26 degrees ==> 1980 ohm
53 degrees ==> 480 ohm
75 degrees ==> 256 ohm
This suggests perhaps that when the engine (and the sensor) is cold the values are within spec, but as the engine heats up the sensor begins to deviate from specs and show to little resistance.
Upon start-up and while the engine was still cold I put it in gear and the engine acted normally (revs coming down slightly). During warm-up up and upon reaching normal operating temperature, the revs came down and the engine began to shake and miss when I put it in gear.
Could I be having a faulty engine temperatur sensor?
26 degrees ==> 1980 ohm
53 degrees ==> 480 ohm
75 degrees ==> 256 ohm
This suggests perhaps that when the engine (and the sensor) is cold the values are within spec, but as the engine heats up the sensor begins to deviate from specs and show to little resistance.
Upon start-up and while the engine was still cold I put it in gear and the engine acted normally (revs coming down slightly). During warm-up up and upon reaching normal operating temperature, the revs came down and the engine began to shake and miss when I put it in gear.
Could I be having a faulty engine temperatur sensor?
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2 months 6 days ago #21707
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Hi Peter,
I don't think measuring the surface-temperature near the sensor gives reliable values.
I would trust the values only after having measured the sensor in a fluid...
It wasn't reported the sensors tend to drift away.
- Did you check the MPS for manipulation?
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I don't think measuring the surface-temperature near the sensor gives reliable values.
I would trust the values only after having measured the sensor in a fluid...
It wasn't reported the sensors tend to drift away.
- Did you check the MPS for manipulation?
Regards
Norbert
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2 months 5 days ago #21726
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Hi Norbert,
I know for at a fact that the MPS is untampered as the black cap is still mounted and has not been removed (and re-installed). It holds vacuum.
I pulled out the engine temperature sensor and measured the resistance in water at different temperatures and got the following values:
80 degrees ==> 269 ohm
70 degrees ==> 320 ohm
60 degrees ==> 505 ohm
50 degrees ==> 703 ohm
40 degrees ==> 981 ohm
I still believe these values are too much out of spec which could explain that the mixture is too lean. At least it fits the story that the engine runs significantly better when I disconnect the air temperature sensor.
I've ordered a new engine temperature sensor (NOS) and will obviously check once it is installed. It did not come cheap, but the existing one also has a crack in the plastic connector housing so I figured that it was good to replace it anyways.
I know for at a fact that the MPS is untampered as the black cap is still mounted and has not been removed (and re-installed). It holds vacuum.
I pulled out the engine temperature sensor and measured the resistance in water at different temperatures and got the following values:
80 degrees ==> 269 ohm
70 degrees ==> 320 ohm
60 degrees ==> 505 ohm
50 degrees ==> 703 ohm
40 degrees ==> 981 ohm
I still believe these values are too much out of spec which could explain that the mixture is too lean. At least it fits the story that the engine runs significantly better when I disconnect the air temperature sensor.
I've ordered a new engine temperature sensor (NOS) and will obviously check once it is installed. It did not come cheap, but the existing one also has a crack in the plastic connector housing so I figured that it was good to replace it anyways.
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2 months 5 days ago #21728
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Yes, Peter -the readings are out of the limits.
Maybe this makes the difference... you will check it out.
I never had a sensor with such a low deviation.
Please tell us the result after having changed the sensor.
It would be very helpful you could test the new sensor before install.
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Norbert
Maybe this makes the difference... you will check it out.
I never had a sensor with such a low deviation.
Please tell us the result after having changed the sensor.
It would be very helpful you could test the new sensor before install.
Regards
Norbert
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1 month 4 weeks ago #21744
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Here's an update.
I've installed a new engine temperature sensor and honestly it has not changed much.
The engine is idling fine. When I am a red light and it turns green, the car is almost cutting out when I step on the throttle, but if I go VERY easy on the throttle I can barely manage to get it up to speed. Once I get to around 60 km/h it has no problem whatsoever in pulling from there. Very linear acceleration and no hesitation. Same behaviour regardless if the engine is warm or cold.
I can find no obvious vacuum leaks. Have sprayed break cleaner on injectors, and air hoses and there are no changes in idle speed.
I am totally at a loss here. Anybody has a good idea?
I've installed a new engine temperature sensor and honestly it has not changed much.
The engine is idling fine. When I am a red light and it turns green, the car is almost cutting out when I step on the throttle, but if I go VERY easy on the throttle I can barely manage to get it up to speed. Once I get to around 60 km/h it has no problem whatsoever in pulling from there. Very linear acceleration and no hesitation. Same behaviour regardless if the engine is warm or cold.
I can find no obvious vacuum leaks. Have sprayed break cleaner on injectors, and air hoses and there are no changes in idle speed.
I am totally at a loss here. Anybody has a good idea?
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1 month 4 weeks ago - 1 month 4 weeks ago #21745
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Hi Peter,
I wrote more than two weeks ago the acceleration signals of the TPS could be missing.
Did you check this?
Have a look here: jetronic.org/en/d-jetronic/tps
In most cases opening the TPS and cleaning it is sufficient.
Regards
Norbert
I wrote more than two weeks ago the acceleration signals of the TPS could be missing.
Did you check this?
Have a look here: jetronic.org/en/d-jetronic/tps
In most cases opening the TPS and cleaning it is sufficient.
Regards
Norbert
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