Gelöst/solved: Lancia SDF/MAP sensor 0 280 100 024

Liebe Leser,

ich suche einen oder besser noch mehrere heile Lancia Saugrohr Druckfühler 0280100024, um einem Lancia 2000 ie Besitzer helfen zu können. Ich brauche den Druckfühler nur einen Tag, um ihn vermessen zu können. Leider sind Eure schönen Autos so selten, dass ich noch keinen in die Hand bekam. Der Druckfühler sollte ungeöffnet sein und das Vakuum halten.

Es wäre wirklich eine große Hilfe.

Hallo / Hi,

today I could take reference of a Lancia MAP sensor 0 280 100 024 overhauled by Bosch. That means, I can verify and repair those as of now !

heute habe ich von einem von Bosch frisch überholten Lancia 0 280 100 024 Saugrohr Druckfühler die Referenzen nehmen können. Damit kann ich diese ab sofort prüfen, reparieren und einstellen.

Danke an den Besitzer, der mich schnell vor dem Wiedereinbau vorbeifahren und ihn messen ließ.

Hi, I wonder if you replied to my SOS...!
My Lancia MPS (Bosch 0280100024) needs to be repaired...to replace it ...fully working, running on my Lancia 2000 HF coupè (1972) as the car is experiencing a very quick engine speed drop at 3000 rpm when strongly accelerating!

I have my idea, maybe wrong....that all or most may be caused by the throttle switch...with so many contacts...deputated to tell the ECU to increase the injection time!

I have poured some alcool inside the MPS ... I have seen it pouring out...., I am not able neither to suck or blow with the mouth inside it, somebody told me that it is ko...I am not an expert, I am tired of bringing my car to various electricians who don't know very well the Bosch D-Jetronic system....please help me!

While at the big recent Padova show I found and bought a nos (from a Bosch conversion kit for Lancia Flavia 2000 coupè....!) throttle switch (identical to the old one installed on my car)...I think I made a good buy (in case I'll sell it!) but I need to know more and possibly have the MPS too ...perfectly working!
Many thanks to all who will help or need a help, I am a retired chemical engineer expert of elastomers and plastics and...a very good hand to fix all but fine electronics.
I still have some D-Jetronic spares like 2 pumps, 1 ECU, 4 injectors and so on (bought as spares!)
As a passion I do frequently restore all the Voxson Sonar stereo 8 (8-track am/fm cars radios8) and '50's pinball machines...where these "wiper and disc tracks" problems are common.

dr. Bruno Zappaterra
Ferrara
Italia

cell. 3393511036

Hi Bruno,
I Welcome you here, too.
You told us from the problems with your Lancia already before in this thread: jetronic.org/en/forum/jetronic/249-vinta...0-hf-coupe-1972#2154
and Volker answered your questions as far he was able to do and had some more questions and annotations.
He told you the throttle-switch can't be the reason for your problem - and this is exactly what I believe in, too. This switch doesn't give any position-information to the ECU. Only these informations are given: the 'idle position information' and the 'accelerate information'.
Newer types of the D-Jetronic also have a 'full load' contact integrated in the throttle switch, but your car doesn't have this function.
This function is integrated in the MAP-sensor at your car.
Therefore the throttle-switch (No, this ist not a position switch or sensor!) can't be the reason for your problem.

Please go back to your old thread (see above) and read the helpful informations given by Volker.

Best Regards
Norbert

Edit: @Bruno: I own a 'VOXSON tanga' in 'NOS'-condition in the original packaging. It is coloured yellow - LW edition. VOXSON seems to be an Italian product. I found information only on Italian sites.
8-track-car radios weren't common in Germany at all. I knew only one car equipped with such a radio. This was a Citroen GS.

Ciao!
Maybe I can supply to you some Bosch parts of an old Lancia 2000 berlina (sedan) IE...I am in touch since some months from the owner (living in Ascoli Piceno, centre Italy, he had to wait as the rain/water caused a distaster in his warehouses where his Lancia was!)...and he recently emailed me telling that he has found...2 MPS!
May be that he is a lier or simply wrong....soon I'll know it and let you know if you like it!
Gruss nach Ferrara
Italien
Bruno Vittorio

Ciao!
Shortly: you have a very precious VOXSON tanga, the rarest one, the LW YELLOW ONE!
They sold this version (LW) very little, apart from being beautiful...it has a collectors value!
You may directly put it on sale on ebay.de and clearly ask...something like at least 100 or more euro...if it is MINT (= perfect, never used before, in its original box, complete with instructions and its mounting base)..I sold 1 like that from France a few months ago.....Voxson hardly advertised it in their ...pubblicità as it was clearly...what we call..."un buco nell'acqua" (= a perfect "fiasco", a wrong commercial operation, nobody wanted LW!)
If you need further info/assistance...let me know!
I always seek, buy and fix Voxson Sonar....8 spur car radios, specially the GN108FMS (fm stereo!)
gruss
Bruno Vittorio

Strange but true....Voxson of f Roma ....did even dare to try and enter the german car radio market in the late 60's...you know, there were the unique european producer of these 8-spur car radios!
They got...golden guts with Sonar line (3 basic models, 1967-1976)....plus of course tv, portable radios etc.
I have a lot of their documentation...in the end it was a good italian firm...like Akkord, Schaub-Lorenz, blaupunkt and so on.
But they (to me....) firstly....copied from Lear, Usa!
Then Philips (with their musicassette) and the japanese new IC technology (e.g. Pioneer) came...!

Bruno

brunovittorio wrote: Hi, I wonder if you replied to my SOS...!

I have poured some alcool inside the MPS ... I have seen it pouring out...., I am not able neither to suck or blow with the mouth inside it, somebody told me that it is ko...I am not an expert, I am tired of bringing my car to various electricians who don't know very well the Bosch D-Jetronic system....please help me!

Hi Bruno,

I do not understand why you do not continue your previously opened thread . and instead open a new one. Pouring in alcohol into your MAP sesnsor could start to dissolve the isolation on the coils. Not a good idea. If you want to know wheter your MAP sensor works, you either use a vacuum hand pump to test its vacuum leakage. If you do not feel that you can do that, please contact my via Private Message.

Best regards,
Volker

Please write in english too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Molte Grazie
Bruno

Hi Bruno,

I start to feel like in candid camera. I have answered in English, both here and in your original thread. If you do not consider this English, then I cannot help you. Have you ever read what I replied to you here ?

I did reply to all....maybe the site is too complicated. again my email is br1vittorio@gmail.com, my cell phone 3393511036, I live in Ferrara, north Italy!

Bruno Zappaterra
Ferrara
Italy
cell 3393511036
email: br1vittorio@gmail.com

I just did try to send a long message but then I discovered I was non more connected!
Can you help please?
Thanks
Bruno Zappaterra
Ferrara
Italia

Hi Bruno,

I am sorry, I cannot help if you were disconnected. There is a longer timeout in the forum. So if you start to write and then continue with something else, it might happen. I cannot restore the lost message.

So if you can, please reenter it.

it's a pity, now it's dinner time and I did even forget something I wrote for you about my (possibly!) solved problems of D-Jetronic on my Lancia 2000 HF coupè.
I will write you later.
For the time being have my sincere best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Bruno Zappaterra
Ferrara
Italia

Ciao Norbert,
for your info there is now on ebay.it a...yellow TANGA at around 500 euro!
Look at it!
Bruno

Unbelieveable...
Same condition as mine is.
Will put it into the safe from now on.

Or sell it and buy some D-Jetronic-stuff.

Thank you for the info
Norbert

Ciao Norbert.
I found only one of these on ebay.fr (France) for 100 € and immediately sold for 250 €.
An italian collector, a roman fan of Voxson bought it.
Voxson did not even advertise it very much...nearly nobody in Italy looked for lw!
I do prefer to still care for Voxson 8-track car radios (Blaupunkt and Pioneer too), just found and bought a very rare Voxson power antenna.
Have a wonderful New Year!
Bruno
Ferrara
Italien
br1vittorio@gmail.com